Sacred Awakenings Series: Dattatreya Siva Baba Produced by The Shift Network, hosted by Stephen Dinan With gratitude and blessings to our volunteer transcriber Meera Censor To listen to the full audio, register at http://www.sacredawakeningseries.com Stephen Dinan: There are so many different questions we could begin with, but I always like to get a little personal context for folks on the phone of a bit about your spiritual journey to becoming a spiritual teacher, and what does the process of awakening in this lifetime look like for you, and how that manifested? Dattatreya Siva Baba: Well life is a continuation, it’s not that I have started this spiritual journey in this lifetime, I’m just continuing where I have left in my last life as Swami Ramalingam. So this life I am continuing where I have left. When I was Swami Ramalingam the journey was about total enlightenment, enlightenment of the body, mind and the soul. The enlightenment of the body is a difficult thing because it is actually bringing the body to its source which is Light. In other words turn the body into Light and that according to my tradition, the Tamil tradition is the ultimate of all search for enlightenment and the end of it is when the body turns into light. The other is psychological enlightenment with probably you are able to detach yourself from the thought process, detach yourself from the ego, and this I call a physiological enlightenment, and then the enlightenment of the soul which is also limited and then it leaved its limited understanding and intelligence and identifies its Self, it’s Godhead, it’s omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence. So the Tamil sidda’s definition of enlightenment is for the body, the mind and the soul. So this has been my goal in this lifetime as well as it had been when I was Swami Ramalingam. So my main teaching centers around gaining the Light body which is going to put an end to suffering. As long as the body exists suffering will exist. That seems to be very idealistic, but then that is indeed the goal of the Tamil Sidas. It’s not for everyone, and it’s also said that it is for a few people who have progressed well in the path of enlightenment and this is human beings becoming the Divine, and that’s what I teach to the people who are in the intimate circle of my organization, but for the rest of the people I also offer some courses on physiological enlightenment of how you can increase your intelligence and to use a lot of sound waves to enhance the intelligence of people, and I also teach sounds for health, and my main teaching also centers around, this is for the people at large, is Karma. Karma is your destiny. Everyone is born with a destiny, and the destiny decides your life, and if you don’t have destiny for money, or Karma for money in my own language, it’s very difficult to get it and if you have money karma then money comes to you regardless whether you have education or skills, or anything, And the same things holds good for relationship, and also holds good for health etc., so karma determines ones life.  It is very interesting that Buddha, who never believed in God, who never believed in the soul, believed in Karma, but then he made a different presentation of karma. He said that Karma is the thought process. You think in a certain way and I think in a certain way, somebody else thinks in a certain way, it is Karma, because Karma controls my thinking. Why am I so obsessed on the Light Body? That’s my Karma, that is what I have done in the past life and the life before, and I may be continuing doing that.  The same thing with a business man and that is his Karma to think this bunch of thoughts, and then there are also people who are stuck in poverty, and those are the people who have the poverty karma which in deference is that that they have the predilection of Western influence to think that poverty will pass. So Karma is Buddhists understanding is a predilection that a person has towards thinking etc.  So having said that, my teaching focuses on, is it possible to change one’s Karma. Changing ones Karma again is changing ones thought process. So I’m not a fatalist to say that if you don’t have money Karma you’ll never make money at all, but although the truth remains that if you have money Karma is easy to become a Bill Gates, or a Larry Ellison, or a Steve Jobs, because they already have the Karma and then they have to only do a little bit of work and then they can do it, but if you have really bad money Karma then you can change it but you can never become extremely wealthy. The same applies to different areas.  So my teaching involves giving techniques to change one’s thought process, and they have several techniques that I teach the people to change their own Karma, and if you go to my website there is a lot of teaching on Karma and how to change money karma, how to change relationship Karma, and how to change health Karma. Fundamentally I teach sound waves to change ones Karma. The sound waves are mantras discovered by Yogi’s in deep meditation, and they claim that this sound can give you prosperity. This sound can erase your bad money Karma. So once you have apply these sound waves, what happens is, if someone has come to this earth plane to think only poverty thoughts, and this Karma busting mantra, which I call, which is a mantra which I teach in all of my courses, which is the sound of “ter ra ni la kan tum.”  To go on changing this chanting this sound, terranilakantum, terranilakantum, terranilakantum, at the throat, because at the throat is where your karma is, and from there your thoughts originate, your karmic thoughts, and there are limitations also. By applying this sound teranilakantum in that throat charka, then you erase the karmic thoughts. So the success depends on how much time and effort you put into practicing this technique. If you go on doing at the throat charka, then you are able to diffuse your karma.  Then there are other techniques with the sound that I also teach, and that is a prerequisite. The first prerequisite is to prepare your self for a better life. First you have to erase the old program. The old program is responsible for all of the problems you have. Then once you have erased this then I can go and I teach sounds to let them create a new program, and the program that I have, the sound that I gave to Wayne Dyer was the sound “aaa” for manifestation, and he created, based on this sound he wrote a book called “Manifest Your Destiny,” and dedicated that book to me. Everyone manifests your destiny. It is not that you are a victim of your own old Karma, and the sound that I gave to Wayne Dyer was the sound “ah”. The sound “ah” is the sound of joy. The sound creates, the sound “ah” is not only the sound of joy, it is also the sound of creation, and it is also the sound of procreation. So the procreating sound which is at the root chakra, the sex charka, needs to be moved to the third eye charka, and when you are able to move it to the third eye chakra, then you are able to not procreate, but able to create what ever you want. That is the philosophy behind the “AH” meditation that I gave to Wayne Dyer and he put out a CD on that and I’m really happy that millions of people all over the world through the books of Wayne Dyer are now practicing the “AH” meditation.  So the philosophy is the sound that sound creates, and this is not just from only the Indian tradition. It is also the tradition of the West as well, even in the Bible it said, “In the beginning there was the Word, and God created everything out of the Word.” The sound creates everything. Stephen: So as to say, kind of in a nutshell on the deepest level there is a vibrational level that is infusing or causing all of our thought patterns. Baba: Yes. Stephen: So if you work at the deepest level with sounds that kind of re-pattern that, then you can change all of the surface manifestations. Is that what you are saying? Baba: Yes, even now scientists are agreeing with this idea. I was reading recent research in Russia, they are able to do some work with genetics, and linguists are collaborating on a research project. They say that there is salamander, there is frog, and the frog is defined, its DNA is defined by its sound value, and the same with the salamander. If you are able to take the sound of the salamander and then deliver it to the frog, the frog becomes a salamander. So sound builds everything. So if Einstein is preeminent in science it is because there is a science that has both Einstein, and if you are able to identify that sound at the very very subtle, at the level of the genes, then we will be able to deliver the sounds to the DNA of a person and then the person will change. This in fact is my ultimate goal. Science has to evolve and then by the time we have the technology, then we will be able to alter the genes of the people through sounds waves, and this is what the Rishis, or the Yogi’s were able to find in deep meditation. They said, “The whole world is built with sound waves. The sound waves vibrate and create the world.” That’s why when God wanted to create the world he said, “Let there be Light, and the Light was there, and we can evolve to that level of speaking something and by speaking something we can create the reality we want. So it’s all a matter of understanding the relationship between sound waves and matter. Stephen: I’d love to hear a bit more, for the folks who are not familiar with the work you have done with the Tripura Foundation and applying some of the principles of sound technology and mind sound technology to children who are working in schools. Baba: Fifteen years ago I started this project in India in collaboration with the Rotary Club. What we did was we went to slums and picked up these kids who were abandon by the parents, or the parents were alcoholics, or they were not to be found and then put them in an environment and gave them these sound waves to change their psychology, and amazingly what we found were that these people were able to change their own psychology and some of them have now gone to college and there is another girl in a girls town that they have started after the Tsunami, this girl came from a very very humble background is the number one student in the state. She is expected to come out at the first student in the State. It is all because it is a very very closed environment that we have created. The girls and the boy’s life in an environment where they use the sound twice a day. The instructors go there and then ask them to use the sounds forty five minutes in the morning and then forty five minutes in the evening, and if you use the sounds more times then they will have more results, but then this is the first experiment we have done and we are very successful, and now the Rotary Club of Chanii has come forward that we can create a community, a small village where not only the children are practicing, but also the adults, the parents can also practice. So the whole idea is to create a society where people can develop their intelligence, and then through their intelligence they are able to take control of their life, and that is the philosophy behind it. Stephen: Beautiful work, I really celebrate that. The next question I was thinking it would be useful to explore is that you are one of the few teachers that I have seen who really teaches an equal focus on the material life and the spiritual life, that you sometimes say that you teach students to have a two hundred percent life, one hundred percent material and one hundred percent spiritual. I wonder if you could speak a little bit about that because in the West I think we tend to be pretty split. Usually you have camps to teachers who are all about prosperity and you know success, and then you have spiritual teachers who tend not to focus on that side. Just why do you think it is important to really have both. Baba: Well I just want to answer this question to the word of Osho, somebody asked this question to Osho, and Osho said, the question that was put to him was, “Why are the spiritual people poor?” And he said,” It is simple because they are spiritual. They are seeking the spirit, so they have the spirit, and if they seek matter they will have material wealth. So what you focus on is what you are going to get. So unfortunately spiritual people tend to be focused all of their attention only on meditation and enlightenment, and they never worry about matter or material wealth. Conversely the material people, the business people, they are only focused on business meetings and networking and strategic planning. This is what they are thinking about, and that is marginalized in their life. See this is a lopsided reality, this happened even to the Buddha. You know the Buddha was the only son of the King, but then he was not happy being a Prince so he thought that he has to renounce his life, and renounce his kingdom, his wife, and father and also his son, and then go and meditate in a jungle, and then when he came out he stayed the same way. So renunciation has a tendency to put you on the other side, and it is in my opinion it is not a balanced life. You have to be living two hundred percent life, otherwise it will be a lopsided development. So you have to be one hundred percent material and one hundred percent spiritual then you don’t miss the two worlds. So that is my teaching, not that I discourage people who want to renounce the world, not that I say that there path is wrong, but it is a choice that one makes. The Buddha made the choice, okay? And the other Saints have made similar choices, and it is a great choice, but then my path that I teach to my people is to…not to create a dichotomy between matter and spirit. You can have a two hundred percent life. Stephen: Beautiful. I appreciate that explanation. Another thing that I think would be very interesting for folks to hear some about is that you are one of the spiritual teachers who has been most vocal about the pending changes often associated with 2012, in the larger window that we have been in, really a shift from one era into another era, you often refer to that as the coming golden age, and I’d love for you to just share a bit about the way you see the world moment that we are in and what is the transition that we are going though? Baba: Well the 2012 the Mayan calendar has declared the end of the world. The world in not going to end, but the consciousness of the world is going to end. Consciousness of the human beings are going to end, but that is not going to happen without us staying in a heavy place, and that is in the form of natural calamities, and man made calamities as well, and that is the plan of Nature of the Universe for us to collect ourselves, and this collection is something that Nature itself does periodically or over a long period of time, it’s call Yuga Epoch and in every Epoch when we become lost in our own ignorance and in order to teach us a lesson Nature itself comes and does these things and our life becomes in danger and everybody begins to go and seek answer, what is happening, and there is a Tsunami that we cannot control, and when there is a fire that we cannot control, when there is a tornado that we cannot control, and then when there is an earthquake that in a few seconds kills hundreds of thousands of people and if that happens in a large scale which is going to happen before 2012, it might start as early as 2010, then that will be an awakening process. Then we will begin to say, “Oh my God,” you know and we are so stupid to think that we know everything and that we can control everything. Then we give up our egocentric consciousness and we begin to think about other forms of knowledge, and we will be humbled to recognize the power of the Universe, the power of God if people want to believe in God, and that is the beginning of a new consciousness in which we won’t be limited by our egocentric understanding. Stephen: So ultimately could say a little more about the world you seeing us moving into, the era that you see us moving into? Baba: The world we are going to enter into will be an era where people will understand the value of love. Love will be the fundamental principle that will unite all the differences between the Hindus, and the Muslims, the Jews and the Muslims, and the Christians, and the Hindus and the Buddhists. You know that there are so many differences between religions that have caused a lot of trouble. As a matter of fact most of our problems are due to religious differences, and we have forgotten the fundamental teaching of every religion is now, but then we are killing everybody in the name of religion. So it’s because when we identify religion with an organized institution and then have forgotten that to be religious means to be loving, and every religion teaches that, but then it is only in books and scriptures and discourses that people give but not in practice, but this will come whenever our survival is threatened by the natural calamities and wars and other calamities that are going to happen. Then we will know we will understand the need of Love. Love is going to unite all of us and it is really foolish to kill each other for money and resources. The individual is doing the same thing and then the countries are doing the same thing as well, the so called developed countries are not compassionate towards Africa, and China, and India. People are dying. Like Gandhi said, “It’s not that we don’t have food for everyone, or money for everyone, but certainly we don’t have money for the greed of everyone. That’s the problem. Greed is the problem.” And it is foolish behavior and we can all live in peace and harmony without putting all of our resources in the Military and creating nuclear weapons. Everybody now wants to create nuclear weapons because that’s what think is going to save us, but in the Golden Age we will not go by this foolish path, but will put all of our resources to create a New World Order, and then we will see ourselves how stupid we had been to put all of this into building the Military. We should put the money into building communities where we can love each other, so that’s what the Golden Age is going to be. Stephen: So what I take away from that is that is that any sort of challenges or calamities on the outer level are just an opportunity for us to accelerate this opening to God-centered, Love-centered consciousness. Baba: Yes. Stephen: So there is noting on a deep level to be nervous about? Baba: Yes, yes. Stephen: It’s more a transitional phase. Baba: Yeah, it’s a blessing in disguise. That’s how we are going to be awakened. It’s a rude awakening, just as the 9/11 was an awakening for the whole United States.  Stephen: I’d love for you to just share before we take some questions from the audience. I know you have been doing a lot of traveling to Egypt and having a strong sense that the ancient Egyptian energies are starting to re-activate in a certain and you are doing a journey again this coming April, correct? Baba: Yes Stephen: Could you share a bit about that? Baba: You know I had never been to Egypt, I was there on my birthday, and I was blown away. I have lived in India. I have lived in the Himalayan’s but I must confess that I have never seen so much energy anywhere in the world like the one that I have experience in Egypt, particularly in the pyramid, and immediately I was transported to another realm without having to do much. That’s why I recommend that everyone should go and experience the pyramid because they were able to find the right place where they could get maximum spiritual energy. When I went into the Kings chamber, and was asked to go into the spot where the mummy was lying, and then I just got in there, it was directly linked to the heavens, and then again going through Egypt looking at the temples, and I could see how these people were living with the angles. It was a participation in their lives. In my opinion I was also watching a TV program yesterday, that the pyramids were build by aliens, and I believe that one hundred percent. It is impossible even today with our modern technology to build the pyramids, because the rocks are so huge and they had to be transported one thousand miles away from the desert, and how can that happen? It is because the Divine can do it. The aliens could do it, and that technology will be revived also in the Golden Age. So the Egyptian gods and goddesses are aliens who had a tremendous amount of wisdom that they are willing to import to the human beings. So coming back I declared that I am going to work really hard to bring this archetypes of Isis, of Horace, of Amman, and Secant, all of these are archetypes, and if you want you can call them alien powers, and they have been hungry for attention and they can be revived really quickly into our human consciousness. Then with their participation we can create a civilization that is far more intelligent than our scientific civilization, so that is the reason I am taking another group back to Egypt, but I never thought I would go back again, but after being there I decided that I am going to go there again and again and again, and I’m going to include also Bethlehem and Israel and the place where Jesus was crucified, because these are all power spots, and the power is still staying there. That is why people are fighting for that power spot. So it’s very important for spiritual people to go on pilgrimages to these places and experience this energy there. Stephen: Beautiful Participant Question: I have a question about the transition and all of the natural catstrophies and calamities that are going to be going on. How do we know where to position ourselves, I guess for the better good of surviving them, because I am in transition myself into more of a healing/helping profession and I feel like that is part of the whole transition. I see my transition as part of the human transition, but I want to know where to go to help people who are experiencing this and I am feeling sure if I should stay where I am. Baba: Well we have the Grace like Group, the Grace like Group is a group of people who are preparing themselves and the world for the Golden Age of receiving this new Light the Light of the Divine, so these groups meet unconditionally without any financial constraints at various different places and then meditate and then help facilitate the process and get more people involved so if there are a lot of people who are meditation then the whole world will change. The problem is that we have a lot of people who don’t mediate, who are only focused on the linear materialistic world. So it will really help if people like you can join together and then organize groups to facilitate this process. It will be beneficial to individuals and also the environment as well. Participant Question: Baba first of all I want to thank you for your teaching earlier. I am new to your work and your teachings explain to me why the listening to the Mantra Chants in the back round for one or two hours every day for the last month or two, which really surprised myself, but now I realized that my spirit is recognizing all of the Chants, so thank you so much for that work. My question for you Baba is; you talk about how we are entering the Golden Age and that we are going to be transitioning to Light Bodies. Now that is a pretty radical and profound thought for most people, even for some of us on the spiritual path and I imagine for mainstream people that just seems like impossible, so how do you see that evolution where that will start to be accepted. What do people need to see and experience and when will that happen before they realize that that can really be a possibility to become Light Bodies? I want to thank you again for your teaching for me to fully understand on all levels. Baba: Well theoretically it is possible for everyone to understand that matter is only condensed light and that is Einstein’s theory. So although we are a material body we are basically light atoms. So once we know a way to release the light from the matter then everything becomes light. It is as simple as that. Einstein only mathematically proved this but he did not know how to prove it in a real life situation, how matter can become light, but the Sidda’s of my tradition had only one goal and that was how you can turn the body into light. So there is already a tradition that teaches techniques and how this can happen. Having said that, I wouldn’t say that it is not known to the West. Even in the Bible there is reference to it. Paul in Corinthians where he clearly says that this body will not inherit the kingdom, he says, “This corruption will not inherit the Kingdom. In the wink of an eye the body will turn into light.” This is Paul who still was not able to turn his body into light, but he had a vision that when the time is right, when the Kingdom is going to come, at that time in the wink of an eye the body will turn into light. This is going to be the participation of the Divine in the world. The Divine is going to give us this wisdom, and this wisdom is going to transform us. And again as I said in my lecture, the Light Body is not for everyone. It is going to, everybody is going to respond to the Golden age according to their level of consciousness, and the Light Body is the ultimate transformation. Participant Question: Baba, thank you so much for all of your teachings, and I wanted to let you know that your people in San Diego Jaya and Raji have been just superb, and the Puja’s that we do on the phone by proxy have been just wonderful. Also I wanted to ask you about the sound, the sound that you were talking about earlier, the sound that invents everything and can help you achieve the goals and finances that you talk about. Can we get a recording of the sound? How do we go about that? Baba: The sounds are all available in different formats, downloadable formats, and then CD’s. On my website you probably will know that. Although I just want to add that there is one sound that I have not put out in a CD form or a downloadable form that is the sound that recently that I received from the Divine and that is going to create the Golden Age, and that sound is Va-ya-na-ma-see and I am going to create some videos and audio on this sound. Participant Question: Hi Sivababa, thank you so much for yourArka Mantra. Would you speak about the dance between us and the Sun? For me I have had many experiences of the Sun lately including on January first I saw a new sun which was a white vortex of energy, versus the old Sun I used to see, and I know you spoke about the Sun and the energies that you felt in Egypt and I was wondering if you could speak more on that? Baba: The Sun is the center of our Solar System here and our consciousness primarily comes from the Sun, but unfortunately we don’t access the total power of the Sun, the total consciousness of the Sun which can give us a greater intelligence. That is why for the Hindu Yogi, the Sun worship is the most important worship, and then they have the chant, Om bob ova swaha. And then you begin to chant and all of the physic centers in the brain and also in the heart begin to open giving you the highest intelligence, and the Egyptians knew that because the Egyptians worshiped the Sun also. That was their primary God, Horace also is the Sun God, and they identified a spot where they can directly connect with the Sun and I am going to that spot again. A trip was organized to go there on the day when the Sun enters Aries, which I think is April 13th or the 14th, it’s there in the website, and be there in the spot because in Aries the Sun acquires the maximum power. The Egyptians identified that spot and put an alabaster circular stone. I want to take people there and I will be there to receive that energy. So the sun is the center of consciousness and our life as well. Stephen : Well Baba, you’ve covered some very complex territory, perhaps you could give a little summary of some of the key messages and take-away’s for people here in the final five minutes. Baba: Messiah comes to the world to relieve human suffering. The Buddha put it in a way that is quite acceptable to many people, quite scientific six hundred years before Christ he said that you don’t have to believe in God, he said quite clearly there is no God and no Soul, then you are compelled to think these thoughts and that these thoughts are driving you to an experience of pain and pleasure and until you are able to get beyond that you are not going to be freed and that is the message of the Buddha. So that’s what happens. When you focus your attention on a particular thought, you know somebody was mentioning that if you are focusing on earthquakes and tornados and floods, you are going to create it, I agree with that. We are not going to think about it. We are going to think about the light body, the transformations of the world. We should not even for one moment think a negative thought, and that is evolution. Evolution means that we should be able to control our thoughts and then focus only on positive thoughts. There is a proverb in Sanskrit, “You become as you think.” If you go on thinking of positive things then you create a positive reality. If you go on thinking negative things then you create a negative reality. That is why the fundamental teaching is thought management, but people say, “I am not able to control my thoughts.” That is not true. You can change all of your thoughts through Chants, because these sounds are sacred sounds, they are not profane sounds. Someone said, “I like his chanting better than his speaking.” I agree with you too, because the speech is on a mundane level, a profane level, but the chants carry the power of sacred sounds. So you chant for eight hours in a row, you will not be the same person. There are prosperity sounds, there are health sounds, and there are sounds to create relationships. On the You Tube I have a strong presence, about six million people have come to my You Tube, and I have put them out for free, everybody can go and then listen to that about three hundred clicks are there that you can listen to. It is all of the sound waves that can change life. As I said in the course of the talk, a frog is a frog because of the sound waves that create the frog, the salamander is the same way. So we have to get this model developed even more so that everybody can be as intelligent as Einstein, as intelligent as Shakespeare . We have to create an intelligent human race and that will create the Golden Age. In the Golden Age there will not be ignorance, there should not be any ignorance, we will all collectively pool all of our resources, the government and other organizations for a consciousness revolution because it is the change of consciousness that is going to create the Golden Age. Those are my final observations. The new sound that was revealed to me is Va-ya-na-ma-shi. Om vayanamashi. Allow the sound to fill every cell in your body. Om vayanamashi. Om vayanamashi. If you go on chanting this sound for one hour you will see that naturally your mind calms down and not only you are peaceful but also you have empowered yourself and you will be able to attract all positive things towards you.